Good points here. I was fortunate enough to experience tenebrae and holy week in a benedictine community which still uses Latin and preserved much of the old rites, albeit in the novus ordo and Inlovrd it. But there were undoubtedly things missing, as I now recognise. My first Palm Sunday in the pre-1955 rite blew me away - over 3 hours long and so immersive. Yesterday, a 2 hour liturgy, in half-light, the main light coming from the many candles around the altar of repose in the nave. And we can experience the desolation of the crucifixion. As I left I noticed a man sitting at the back, definitely a visitor, with a stupified look on his face. When you experience the ancient liturgy, it turns your world upside down.
I understand what you are saying about doing an anticipated Tenebrae the night before in a parish setting where it is chanted and therefore takes a very long time. If you are doing it at home on your own without the chant thenmy recommendation, as someone who prays the pre-Pius X Office regularly, is to rise early and offer Matins in the darkness before dawn of Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and pray the Office. It may take 45 minutes if done with attention. The constant need of our ancestors to be constantly anticipating everything is something that threw the calendar off and made it make less sense.
I went to Tenebrae yesterday but it was at 6:30 AM. Kind of backwards because it was still pretty dark when I got there but by the time it was over at 9 it kept getting lighter and lighter when it was supposed to be getting darker. Still beautiful.
Thank you for helping to make this issue better known, namely, that the liturgical changes that began in earnest in 1955 were done by the same group of liturgists, and for the same reasons, as the later Novus Ordo would be produced in the 1960s. It was all they could get away with at the time, but as Carlo Braga (Bugnini's right-hand man) put it, the change to Palm Sunday in 1955 was the "battering ram which pierced the fortress of our hitherto static liturgy."
For an in-depth treatment of changes in the Roman Rite throughout the 20th century and their theological and pastoral implications, see "Lumen Christi: Defending the Use of the Pre-1955 Roman Rite":
For a thorough account of why we should return to the pre-55 and why we do not need "permission" to do so, see my book "The Once and Future Roman Rite," especially chapter 12, which in fact is now on sale as part of TAN's "Year of the Latin Mass" promotion:
Matriculated at Notre Dame Convent, Kroonstad, South Africa in 1955 and cannot remember any such thing. Maunday Thursday "Last Supper" Good Friday, the day Jesus was crucified / no Mass. Stations of the Cross in the morning and Veneration of the Cross at 3pm, Silent Saturday and Easter Vigel in evening, a wonderful Easter Experience and receiving newcomers into the Church. Easter Sunday Mass Celebration. Still the same today.
I am not a Catholic but an Anglican (aware this is actually reformed Catholic). My church performed Tenebrae on Maundy Thursday and last night. The altar was completely stripped on Thursday night, the sanctuary empty, the remaining host placed in a garden of Gethsemene. The Easter vigil starts at 7 tonight and includes light and fire. The rector holds to the tradition that Easter day starts at sunset - not sure if this is a convenient idea that lets her off a midnight service. Not being a Catholic allows me to say firmly that those who bake the bread are worthy to serve it. That is, I am in favour of women priests - many early Christian churches were clearly led by women, such as Chloe of Corinth.
Henry VIII remained a Catholic till he died. His son's guardians were the reformer. Prostestantism is grounded in reading the scriptures ie the gospel etc. No one comes to the Father except through the Son and there is no justification in the New Testament that an individual needs any intermediary to approach God. You can have one if you like, it isn't necessary. I'd go as far to say that since the incarnate Son's body was made by a woman that only can celebrate the eucharist.
IF JOSEPH SMITH OR MUHAMAD HAD BEEN TRUE PROPHETS THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE LAST DAY & JESUS 2ND COMMING ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE AD70 WAR & THAT ALL BIOLOGICAL "JEWS" MADE EXTINCT FROM WAR OF AD70 💥GOD CURSED ALL BIOLOGICAL ISRAEL INTO EXTINCTION!💥
Anyone claiming to be a biological j3w & or of biological Israel is either a fraud & liar or delusional f00l! Any contridition that argues otherwise is a claim agsinst God himself not anyone's theology or heritage......facts matter!!
ALL modern day prophets, SDA, LDS-Mormons, The Pope, JW EVEN muslims all frauds waiting for the 2nd comming 🤣🤡🌏🤣
THE GOSPEL JESUS PREACHED WAS NOT DEATH BURIAL & RESURECTION!! ...HE HARDLY EVER MENTIONED IT!🤣🤡🌏🤣
Many point to verse such as 1 Cor 15:1-4. The first mention of the term "THE GOSPEL" is way back in CH 1!👈💥& Ch 15 itself is about the return of Christ & the resurection of the dead!! 🤣
💥1 Cor 1:6. Even as THE TESTIMONY OF CHRIST WAS CONFIRMED IN YOU: 7. … WAITING FOR ⚡⚡THE COMING OF OUR LORD⚡⚡ Jesus Christ:
💥2 Thess 2:1....WE BESEECH YOU, brethren, 💥BY💥 ⚡⚡THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM⚡⚡, … 14. Whereunto he called you ⚡⚡BY OUR GOSPEL⚡⚡ .
💥2Thess 3:5. And the Lord DIRECT YOUR HEARTS into the love of God, AND INTO THE PATIENT ⚡⚡WAITING FOR CHRIST.⚡
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of (1) THE WORD of God, and of (2) THE TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, and of (3) all THINGS THAT HE SAW. (Rev 19:9..These are THE TRUE SAYINGS of God. .10…for the TESTIMONY of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.)
👇WHAT DID CHRIST PREACH ?!?👇
💥Luke 4:18/ Isaiah 61:1… TO PROCLAIM acceptable ⏰YEAR OF THE LORD⏰and THE DAY OF 🚨VENGEANCE 🚨
👉Isaiah 35:4...YOUR GOD WILL COME WITH 🚨VENGEANCE🚨, EVEN GOD WITH A RECOMPENCE; HE WILL COME AND 😇SAVE YOU.😇 (Lk 21:22-24 & 28-31)
Acts 3:19. Repent... YOUR SINS MAY BE BLOTTED out, WHEN (Heb 9:8; Luke 21:28; 1Peter 1:5) 💢THE TIMES OF REFRESHING💢
👆(*** Isaiah 28:5 IN ⏰THAT DAY⏰...unto THE RESIDUE....12 This is the REST....💢THIS IS THE REFRESHING💢: yet they would not hear.... 28:21 For the LORD... he shall be 🚨WROTH🚨... bring to pass his act, HIS 👽STRANGE ACT.👽***)
*Deut 30:1... WHEN ALL THESE THINGS ARE COME UPON THEE, THE 😇BLESSING😇 & THE 🚨CURSE🚨
Psalms 33:3 Sing unto him 🎶✝️A NEW SONG;✝️🎶 ...22 For such as be 😇BLESSED of him shall inherit the earth😇; and they that be 🚨CURSED of him shall be CUT OFF🚨
Psalms 40:3 And he hath put ✝️🎶A NEW SONG✝️🎶 in my mouth, .....6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; .. burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
👉💥Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that HEAR the words of this prophecy, and KEEP THOES THINGS WRITTEN therein: for ⏰THE TIME IS AT HAND⏰
1 Peter 4:7...⏰END OF ALL THINGS IS ST HAND....17 TIME IS COME⏰ that JUDGMENT must BEGIN (not end) at the house of God: and if it FIRST BEGIN AT US = ( physical Israel-judea)
👉1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye 👹IDOLATERS👹, as were some of them;.... 10:11...they are written for our admonition, upon whom⏰THE ENDS OF THE WORLD ARE COME⏰
👉💥Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that HEARETH the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add ....19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
2 Timothy 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES..... 8 , shall give me AT THAT DAY: and not to me only, but UNTO ALL THEM also that LOVE HIS APPEARING.
💥👉IMPOSSIBLE to love an appearing U deny!?! (context= 2nd comming of "that day")💥👈👇👇
NOTE: CONTEXT= 2nd Comming ☄👇👇☄
☄👉2 Thess 2:11.. GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSIONS☄.
☄👉Isaiah 66:4 I ALSO WILL CHOOSE THEIR DELUSIONS☄....22 For as 😇THE NEWS HEAVENS AND ...NEW EARTH😇,...23.., that FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER, and from ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER.
DO U BELIVE THE GOSPEL? = THE GOOD NEWS IS NOT DEATH BURIAL & RESURECTION! THAT WAS:
A) THE SIGN THAT JESUS GAVE WHEN ASKED TO VALIDATE HIS PREACHING & GOSPEL
B) THE CATALIST FOR THE DESTRUCTION COMMING THAT HE PREACHED!
Rev 22:16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto U these things in the churches. Also states it is "the true sayings" of Jesus & that it is "the testimony of Christ". If this is not "the gospel of Jesus Christ" then what is it & should we consider it accursed testimony of an angel? If it is not to be considered accursed, then it cannot be some other gospel message then what was already given. However, this is the conundrum, for if this is the gospel, then why do so few understand it? There is a possibility which few consider. The reason people don't understand revelation is because they never understood the gospel in the first place! Is it not curious the most "Personally" given NT book By Jesus himself, is the least understood & given the least importance for Salvation in Christendom?!?
Good points here. I was fortunate enough to experience tenebrae and holy week in a benedictine community which still uses Latin and preserved much of the old rites, albeit in the novus ordo and Inlovrd it. But there were undoubtedly things missing, as I now recognise. My first Palm Sunday in the pre-1955 rite blew me away - over 3 hours long and so immersive. Yesterday, a 2 hour liturgy, in half-light, the main light coming from the many candles around the altar of repose in the nave. And we can experience the desolation of the crucifixion. As I left I noticed a man sitting at the back, definitely a visitor, with a stupified look on his face. When you experience the ancient liturgy, it turns your world upside down.
I understand what you are saying about doing an anticipated Tenebrae the night before in a parish setting where it is chanted and therefore takes a very long time. If you are doing it at home on your own without the chant thenmy recommendation, as someone who prays the pre-Pius X Office regularly, is to rise early and offer Matins in the darkness before dawn of Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and pray the Office. It may take 45 minutes if done with attention. The constant need of our ancestors to be constantly anticipating everything is something that threw the calendar off and made it make less sense.
I went to Tenebrae at 7:30 last night. It’s a wonderful service but would not be the same in the morning.
I went to Tenebrae yesterday but it was at 6:30 AM. Kind of backwards because it was still pretty dark when I got there but by the time it was over at 9 it kept getting lighter and lighter when it was supposed to be getting darker. Still beautiful.
Thank you for helping to make this issue better known, namely, that the liturgical changes that began in earnest in 1955 were done by the same group of liturgists, and for the same reasons, as the later Novus Ordo would be produced in the 1960s. It was all they could get away with at the time, but as Carlo Braga (Bugnini's right-hand man) put it, the change to Palm Sunday in 1955 was the "battering ram which pierced the fortress of our hitherto static liturgy."
For an in-depth treatment of changes in the Roman Rite throughout the 20th century and their theological and pastoral implications, see "Lumen Christi: Defending the Use of the Pre-1955 Roman Rite":
https://osjustipress.com/products/lumen-christi-defending-pre-1955-roman-rite
For a thorough account of why we should return to the pre-55 and why we do not need "permission" to do so, see my book "The Once and Future Roman Rite," especially chapter 12, which in fact is now on sale as part of TAN's "Year of the Latin Mass" promotion:
https://tanbooks.com/products/books/the-once-and-future-roman-rite-returning-to-the-traditional-latin-liturgy-after-seventy-years-of-exile/
God bless everyone who is working to restore Catholic tradition.
Thank you Robbert for your wonderfully informative writing 🙏
In a word “we was robbed “. How for decades we’ve been punished with terrible popes…and to this day the damage continues.
Matriculated at Notre Dame Convent, Kroonstad, South Africa in 1955 and cannot remember any such thing. Maunday Thursday "Last Supper" Good Friday, the day Jesus was crucified / no Mass. Stations of the Cross in the morning and Veneration of the Cross at 3pm, Silent Saturday and Easter Vigel in evening, a wonderful Easter Experience and receiving newcomers into the Church. Easter Sunday Mass Celebration. Still the same today.
My response is belated, but all of these traditions can be found in Mainline Protestantism.
I've never gone to a 9 am Tenebrae in the Episcopal Church. Some Mainline Protestant churches do the prayer for conversion of the Jews and the Pagans.
These are the same as the mainline churches which announce that the world was created in 5199 BC during the Christmas mass.
It's going to be English propers and Latin Ordinary, though.
Oh my goodness what a palaver !
I am not a Catholic but an Anglican (aware this is actually reformed Catholic). My church performed Tenebrae on Maundy Thursday and last night. The altar was completely stripped on Thursday night, the sanctuary empty, the remaining host placed in a garden of Gethsemene. The Easter vigil starts at 7 tonight and includes light and fire. The rector holds to the tradition that Easter day starts at sunset - not sure if this is a convenient idea that lets her off a midnight service. Not being a Catholic allows me to say firmly that those who bake the bread are worthy to serve it. That is, I am in favour of women priests - many early Christian churches were clearly led by women, such as Chloe of Corinth.
Dress it up however you like…you’re still a heretic whose religion was founded on the balls of a king. So don’t bother us with your nonsense.
Henry VIII remained a Catholic till he died. His son's guardians were the reformer. Prostestantism is grounded in reading the scriptures ie the gospel etc. No one comes to the Father except through the Son and there is no justification in the New Testament that an individual needs any intermediary to approach God. You can have one if you like, it isn't necessary. I'd go as far to say that since the incarnate Son's body was made by a woman that only can celebrate the eucharist.
Go away heretic
IF JOSEPH SMITH OR MUHAMAD HAD BEEN TRUE PROPHETS THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE LAST DAY & JESUS 2ND COMMING ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE AD70 WAR & THAT ALL BIOLOGICAL "JEWS" MADE EXTINCT FROM WAR OF AD70 💥GOD CURSED ALL BIOLOGICAL ISRAEL INTO EXTINCTION!💥
Anyone claiming to be a biological j3w & or of biological Israel is either a fraud & liar or delusional f00l! Any contridition that argues otherwise is a claim agsinst God himself not anyone's theology or heritage......facts matter!!
ALL modern day prophets, SDA, LDS-Mormons, The Pope, JW EVEN muslims all frauds waiting for the 2nd comming 🤣🤡🌏🤣
THE GOSPEL JESUS PREACHED WAS NOT DEATH BURIAL & RESURECTION!! ...HE HARDLY EVER MENTIONED IT!🤣🤡🌏🤣
Many point to verse such as 1 Cor 15:1-4. The first mention of the term "THE GOSPEL" is way back in CH 1!👈💥& Ch 15 itself is about the return of Christ & the resurection of the dead!! 🤣
💥1 Cor 1:6. Even as THE TESTIMONY OF CHRIST WAS CONFIRMED IN YOU: 7. … WAITING FOR ⚡⚡THE COMING OF OUR LORD⚡⚡ Jesus Christ:
💥2 Thess 2:1....WE BESEECH YOU, brethren, 💥BY💥 ⚡⚡THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM⚡⚡, … 14. Whereunto he called you ⚡⚡BY OUR GOSPEL⚡⚡ .
💥2Thess 3:5. And the Lord DIRECT YOUR HEARTS into the love of God, AND INTO THE PATIENT ⚡⚡WAITING FOR CHRIST.⚡
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of (1) THE WORD of God, and of (2) THE TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, and of (3) all THINGS THAT HE SAW. (Rev 19:9..These are THE TRUE SAYINGS of God. .10…for the TESTIMONY of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.)
👇WHAT DID CHRIST PREACH ?!?👇
💥Luke 4:18/ Isaiah 61:1… TO PROCLAIM acceptable ⏰YEAR OF THE LORD⏰and THE DAY OF 🚨VENGEANCE 🚨
👉Isaiah 35:4...YOUR GOD WILL COME WITH 🚨VENGEANCE🚨, EVEN GOD WITH A RECOMPENCE; HE WILL COME AND 😇SAVE YOU.😇 (Lk 21:22-24 & 28-31)
Acts 3:19. Repent... YOUR SINS MAY BE BLOTTED out, WHEN (Heb 9:8; Luke 21:28; 1Peter 1:5) 💢THE TIMES OF REFRESHING💢
👆(*** Isaiah 28:5 IN ⏰THAT DAY⏰...unto THE RESIDUE....12 This is the REST....💢THIS IS THE REFRESHING💢: yet they would not hear.... 28:21 For the LORD... he shall be 🚨WROTH🚨... bring to pass his act, HIS 👽STRANGE ACT.👽***)
*Deut 30:1... WHEN ALL THESE THINGS ARE COME UPON THEE, THE 😇BLESSING😇 & THE 🚨CURSE🚨
Psalms 33:3 Sing unto him 🎶✝️A NEW SONG;✝️🎶 ...22 For such as be 😇BLESSED of him shall inherit the earth😇; and they that be 🚨CURSED of him shall be CUT OFF🚨
Psalms 40:3 And he hath put ✝️🎶A NEW SONG✝️🎶 in my mouth, .....6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; .. burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
👉💥Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that HEAR the words of this prophecy, and KEEP THOES THINGS WRITTEN therein: for ⏰THE TIME IS AT HAND⏰
1 Peter 4:7...⏰END OF ALL THINGS IS ST HAND....17 TIME IS COME⏰ that JUDGMENT must BEGIN (not end) at the house of God: and if it FIRST BEGIN AT US = ( physical Israel-judea)
👉1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye 👹IDOLATERS👹, as were some of them;.... 10:11...they are written for our admonition, upon whom⏰THE ENDS OF THE WORLD ARE COME⏰
👉💥Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that HEARETH the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add ....19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
2 Timothy 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES..... 8 , shall give me AT THAT DAY: and not to me only, but UNTO ALL THEM also that LOVE HIS APPEARING.
💥👉IMPOSSIBLE to love an appearing U deny!?! (context= 2nd comming of "that day")💥👈👇👇
NOTE: CONTEXT= 2nd Comming ☄👇👇☄
☄👉2 Thess 2:11.. GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSIONS☄.
☄👉Isaiah 66:4 I ALSO WILL CHOOSE THEIR DELUSIONS☄....22 For as 😇THE NEWS HEAVENS AND ...NEW EARTH😇,...23.., that FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER, and from ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER.
DO U BELIVE THE GOSPEL? = THE GOOD NEWS IS NOT DEATH BURIAL & RESURECTION! THAT WAS:
A) THE SIGN THAT JESUS GAVE WHEN ASKED TO VALIDATE HIS PREACHING & GOSPEL
B) THE CATALIST FOR THE DESTRUCTION COMMING THAT HE PREACHED!
Rev 22:16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto U these things in the churches. Also states it is "the true sayings" of Jesus & that it is "the testimony of Christ". If this is not "the gospel of Jesus Christ" then what is it & should we consider it accursed testimony of an angel? If it is not to be considered accursed, then it cannot be some other gospel message then what was already given. However, this is the conundrum, for if this is the gospel, then why do so few understand it? There is a possibility which few consider. The reason people don't understand revelation is because they never understood the gospel in the first place! Is it not curious the most "Personally" given NT book By Jesus himself, is the least understood & given the least importance for Salvation in Christendom?!?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom
https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM